In an interview with TechRadar, Phil Dunster discussed his onscreen character Jamie Tartt’s journey in the second season of AppleTV plus’ show Ted Lasso.

After leaving Manchester City, Jamie Tartt had a quarter-life crisis. With no European football club willing to take him on, Jamie joins a reality TV show. He then goes on to ask Ted, the protagonist of the show for help. Season 1 of the sports comedy showed Jamie’s character leaving AFC Richmond to join Manchester City.

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Jamie participated in the satirical version of the reality show Love Island, Lust Conquers All. Dunster told the TechRadar, “Jamie’s at this place now where he’s trying these different avenues. Maybe he feels like he couldn’t continue to do all that work on his own.”

He added, “Perhaps he’s stepping away from football and maybe trying something that is less to do with his talent.”

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Dunster also speaks about Jamie’s insecurities and emotional growth. He said, “Jamie spent the first season tussling with emotional growth and doing some emotional heavy lifting for the first time in his life.”

He further added, “His shift in location means that he’s no longer around those people who were helping him try to grow. I think by doing that on his own, by this point, he’s been trying too hard and he’s tired of doing it, and that’s one of the reasons why we see him at this crossroads.”

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Dunster opens about the mistreatment his reel-life character experiences due to his overbearing father. “There’s a phrase in the show that goes ‘be curious, not judgemental,’ and it’s so powerful and profound. It’s a very simple thing but it’s difficult to put into practice,” he said.

He also added, “As a series, you see us challenge things like toxic masculinity and mental health, but one of the things that the show does really well is it looks at them in an obtuse way.”